great british railways livery

Quick reference Livery Guide for Nameplates and transfers available in 4mm/00 scale. It's not going to be called Rail England and if it was, there'd be nothing "Queen Nicola" could do about it. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. In the early years the colour faded quite badly, becoming lighter and paler with time although this problem had been overcome by the late 1970s. And it that light it is intriguing that Ministers have. Unfortunately, there is little sign that Beattie actually intends to do anything differently, in this regard at least, to the Democratic Unionists he hopes to supplant. [11][12], The location for GBR's headquarters is currently being determined. ScotRail was the brand name under which British Rail operated passenger services in Scotland and cross border services to Northern England and London. Also, yes, the actual report has a typo, it really does say 'refect' instead of 'reflect'. Railfreight livery, a colour scheme specifically for freight locomotives, was unveiled when Class 58 58001 drove through a plastic screen at Doncaster Works on 9 December 1982. 1948 -. Old does not necessarily = bad. Yes i like it, very clean and professional looking. No complaints really over the Rail Alphabet, I even like seeing it on old BR signage that still exists here and there. However many people were not happy with the loss of the traditional "historic" regional colour schemes as used by the former private companies. The easiest way to guarantee readibility at night would be to use retroreflective coatings, like those used on road signs. Blue Pullman in grey and blue livery arriving at Bristol Temple Meads in 1973. GBR is currently running a competition to find a town or city outside London to host its headquarters. A railway works best as a single unit. The Class 309 units worked between Liverpool Street and Clacton, occasionally also to Ipswich and Norwich and later upon transfer saw the livery briefly appear around Manchester and Birmingham. From 1966 until withdrawal, Pullman Coaches were also painted in the reversal of the normal coach livery, with the blue and grey areas transposed. The colour often appears inaccurately in photographs, generally appearing brighter and bluer than the real colour. For cost reasons, liveries were usually changed piecemeal, when coaches came in for scheduled maintenance. There have also been subtle font changes. For me, it's time to sign off from the Great Western Railway Line. Could GBRTT be right for you? Other examples are available Once they'd ditched single colour liveries, they didn't really do anything that wasn't ", One can only hope for a Sectorised return to NSE. Why? A nod to the past in the liveries would be nice like with the modern GWR too. Great British Railways marks a new era in the history of our railways. Also, like I said, it's possible that they legally can't call it BR. As part of this work, the team engaged with industry through a formal call for evidence. London Midland (pre LNR), that was white on black but the same idea. The old Northern signs worked well, but only Metro/WYCA really got behind the co-branding opportunities, that I saw. Job done. Plus what is one persons opinion of a great livery will be different to the next. Sponsor Post - registered members do not see these adverts; And although BR did changes, it was still the same basic livery really. Introduced originally by the Great Western Railway, the Travelling Post Office would set out from London in the dead of night and deliver . A High Speed Train power car (loco) and coach in InterCity swallow livery. Aren't best impressions the ones that did the 2015 Virgin East Coast HST? Cross Country merged with EMT to form a brand called Midland Connect. Class 01 01002 inside Holyhead Breakwater shed in early black livery. There was a return of some regional schemes: the Western Region turned out some Mk1 sets for named expresses in chocolate/cream, similar to that used by the GWR before nationalisation. The first Class 31 entered service in November . It may not display this or other websites correctly. I suppose they are quite bland. Withdrawn 01001 is just visible at the rear. Apple Green. I don't think the red understripe would appear though, and there will still be calls from TfGM, WYCA TfWM, TfW, etc. In terms of signage, here's what I was working on this morning: Compared to the superb branding packages of TfW and ScotRail, it does not say "come use the railway, it's good", it says "we have spent the bare minimum, stick to your car". I think in Germany it is done by using the "TOC" name in place of IC etc. The Great British Railway - and please, spare us the flag-waving - will incorporate Network Rail (renationalised in 2002 after privatised Railtrack collapsed), ticketing and awarding operator . Official Description. This competition aimed to identify a place with a rich railway heritage, strong links to the national network and significant public support, while creating a great opportunity to promote the location as the proud home for the start of a new era in Britains railways. How many people list how attractive a train is when you ask them why they decided to go by car or train? Find out more and ask any questions/give us feedback in this thread . With the publication of the Williams review and the announcement of the renationalization of British Passenger Rail, i thought i might help out anyone exited for new liveries or branding for trains.. Great Britain is not a country; its a landmass. Finsbury Park. NR do infrastructure in Wales & Scotland, don't they? For 2mm/N equivalents, change the start of the reference number FRH4 for FRH2. It might have the operator identified in a small way too. The white paper does not specify whether the branding of devolved railways such as London Overground and Merseyrail will be affected.[7]. Find out more and ask any questions/give us feedback in this thread . Because for my money blue & grey is not the "same basic livery" as Swallow, neither is NSEs toothpaste anything like the red and cream worn in the 50s. Not the terms I would have used but I see where you might get that impression. Antrim Princess Sealink ferry underway in Larne with Sealink letters. The current lot is an absolute mess. We use cookies. Rail Express Systems was the sector of British Rail responsible for transport of mail and parcels traffic. The British Rail Class 31 diesel locomotives, also known as the Brush Type 2 and previously as Class 30, were built by Brush Traction from 1957-62. They were numbered in two series, D5500-D5699 and D5800-D5862. [16] A public vote was held following the announcement.[16]. The great livery might only look good on certain trains, while on others it looks rubbish. White letters on a navy background is the way to go. If you run across land borders you're going to get it. It's the name of the island ffs. 3,609. thomalex said: One of the big ones is an end to endless rebranding of trains when the operator changes with various bit of old livery hanging about for a long time, never mind the cost and waste involved. Why could GBR franchises not do the same? [14] By 16 March (the deadline for submitting expressions of interest), 42 towns and cities had expressed an interest in hosting GBR's headquarters. In the days of signs being hand painted/stencilled on enamel I would agree, but it is so much easier to make stuff look good these days that there is really no excuse for this sort of thing. By 2020s Britain, I mean a design that is reflective of modern day marketing and branding. If only we were to see a coherent joined up livery scheme to run nationwide like the picture above , however I rather suspect this will not be the case. And the more I see RA2 and its symbols, the more clumsy it looks. The XP64 train was used to test technology and carriage arrangements for the planned Mark 2 coaches. This grey panel finished just short of the end of the coach leaving a small amount of Rail Blue which then continued round onto the end of the coach. Not sure but I was also thinking of the winding up arrangements that would've taken place at privatisation i.e. I am confident I could design a better package in a few hours, and I am not a design professional. Another Class 52, No.D1015 Western Champion was delivered in another, darker yellow/brown colour described as 'Golden Ochre', though somewhat different from that applied to D5579. For this new venture a new livery - a paler shade of blue than Rail Blue, with three stripes of white, red and grey - was created with Class 47 No.47573 The London Standard painted in the new livery specifically for the launch ceremony. GBR will absorb Network Rail, although overall strategic direction on infrastructure investment and fares strategy will remain with government. Except their is massive nostalgia for BR days. There just isn't room on a well functioning railway for true competition, so you might as well focus on the passenger experience, not the rail operator experience. The Overground operates under its own livery. . GW 1 1 Great British Railways That's what happens when small-minded people look back on a classic that was before their time with a warped sense of populism. I don't think there would ever be multiple logos for Great British Railways as you've alluded to - it would make it complicated for the end passenger. Anyone got a suggestion for the government's latest bright idea today along the same lines, '. In response to this announcement, the Great British Railways Transition Team is looking at changes to support the development of the new industry structure, and considering ways in which the current system can be simplified and improved. Here is some variants of my original 'swallow inspired' design. The government has promised to base the organisation outside London to promote economic growth and skills in a region beyond the capital. particularly associated with the depots at Old Oak Common and the handling/liability of pensions etc. It will also control the contracting of passenger train services, the setting of fares and timetables, and the collection of fare revenue, with the exception of services wholly within Scotland and Wales. The bottom one is basically Serco era Northern signage, and does look good to me, though I would go for a subtle double arrow in the bottom right as I said earlier, and omit the GBR text. I really quite like that now. I said this on another thread, but this is definitely a more appropriate one. For example, GWRs London to Bristol, Penzance, Cardiff, Oxford etc might be wrapped up with a GBR Express or GBR Intercity, but the GWR commuter/regional services under a different brand name. People are understandably sceptical about the frequent rebranding . The FT reports: The reforms will still allow private companies to run services but they will instead work under a more prescriptive management contract, similar to the system in place on the London Overground.. Regional divisions will manage concession contracts, stations, infrastructure, and local and regional budgets, integrate track and train, and integrate rail with local transport services. No.47373 in revised Railfreight "red stripe" livery. Infrastructure, passenger, and freight services were separated at that time. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Great British Railways: Livery, branding and appearance? Some franchise brand names are good, such as Trans Pennine Express, but perhaps those longer distance brands might be lost to one all encompassing GBR brand. the report stated that there would be some update to the double arrow, though not what that update would be. All other brands (SE, Southern, Thameslink, SWR, GWR, TfW, Merseyrail, Overground, Crossrail, GA, c2c, Scotrail) remain as they are. The British Isles is a the collection of European islands consisting of Great Britain, the island of Ireland, Isle of Man and the northern islands that are part of Scotland. It really does look dire. I personally like this Lion logo posted by Tim Dunn on twitter a few years ago. Different NSE style local/commuter networks round the country. Launched as the London & South East Sector "Express Livery" this was a short-lived scheme which appeared on a limited amount of units and routes before the advent of Network SouthEast's "toothpaste" red white and blue striped livery. There is also a British Standard paint colour BS381C 114 called Rail Blue which was introduced in 1964. But do we really want to go back to that? More middle days; they were improving quite a bit in the 1990s. Consisting of three shades of grey and thus known as "triple grey Railfreight", the livery included logos on the sides and cabs of locomotives indicating which sector they belonged to. Find out more and ask any questions/give us feedback in this thread . Non-corridor coaching stock and other multiple units received all-over Rail Blue until about 1980, when most received the same blue/grey livery as corridor coaching stock. It may not display this or other websites correctly. There'll no doubt be someone on here who knows, one way or the other. Corridor coaching stock and certain express multiple unit classes were painted in Rail Blue with a 44-inch Pearl Grey (BS 2660-9-095) horizontal panel centred vertically on the main windows, outlined by a narrow white line. We will probably get something like this Shorthand and in general parlance yes, but Great British Railways will be a brand that the DfT will want to get out there sooner rather than later, even if it is just a vinyl on top of existing TOC names. Corridor coaching stock was originally trialled in LNWR coach plum and off-white (nicknamed Plum and Spilt Milk) before Crimson (carmine red) and Cream livery (nicknamed Blood and Custard) was adopted across the network; non-corridor stock was painted plain Crimson. Question for the designers. Rail alphabet had the advantage of being clear, legible and was pretty much consistently applied. Then theres the question of livery. A commonly mistake to make, but one that can easily upset the locals! On this Wikipedia the language links are at the top of the page across from the article title. I wonder if you could make a hybrid of the two? If they're bothered about 'red white and blue" then just stick the double arrow in a white background and give it a blue border. Just like when a new TOC has taken on a franchise, the old TOC name gets removed and the new TOC name gets badged in top, like a big rectangular sticker. [8] The review had been launched in September 2018 and was led by Keith Williams. It highlighted different ways in which Westminster could invest in Britain's strategic transport network to better-integrate the nation. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. It looks like BR. The distinctive angular shape of the HST power cars did not lend itself to applying yellow on the leading face, so the yellow was wrapped around and extended along the side of each power car, although the coaches retained the usual Rail Blue coaching stock livery. Roofs were Dark Grey and underframes originally brown, but later black. One of the worst liveries they ever carried, never seen a HST look so poor. The name is still awful though and far too long. The attachments illustrate this. In 1957 this changed to maroon with yellow markings and in 1963 bauxite with white lettering was adopted. [13] Initially new locos were still painted in the traditional Rail Blue livery, but starting with Class 56 number 56084 the new Large Logo version was standard on new locos delivered to BR. Which does what it says on the tin. There are conflicting view on Britain versus Great Britain. for some form of co-branding. And it that light it is intriguing that Ministers have decided to take a step back towards a national rail network with the launch of Great British Railways (GBR). Class 52 No.D1015 restored to 1960's Western Region Maroon livery. But such an approach offers a bleak long-term outlook for the UK. [10], Andrew Haines and Peter Hendy, the current CEO and chairman of Network Rail respectively, are overseeing the establishment of GBR. Later regional variations included some interesting changes for the Class8P passenger types in particular. 1 Pre-corporate liveries 2 Early liveries 2.1 Coaching stock from 1948 2.2 The second phase 2.3 XP64 3 Rail Blue 3.1 Locomotives 3.2 Coaches and multiple units 3.3 Local variations 4 Moving away from Rail Blue 5 Sectorisation 5.1 InterCity 5.2 Network SouthEast 5.3 Regional Railways 5.4 Rail Express Systems 5.5 Railfreight Pre-corporate liveries It's only as complicated as you want it to be. This may well take time to introduce and rollout but my suggestion is as follows. [6], The Vale of Rheidol Railway remained steam operated past the general end of steam traction in 1968; Accordingly the three remaining Vale of Rheidol Railway steam locomotives (Class 98) received the Rail Blue colour scheme and the double arrow logo on their side tanks. In 2001, as passenger work for diesel locomotives operated by Virgin CrossCountry came to an end, a number of their Class 47s were painted in "heritage" liveries that they had carried in the past, including the former D1733, now 47853, which once again carried a near-correct version of the XP64 livery. This idea often seems to pop its head up. Agree, having at least 'intercity', 'regional' and 'metro' would be good. Home Forums Great British Railways: The Williams-Shapps Plan for Rail (print version) Ref: ISBN 978-1-5286-2465-7 , CCS0321182446 05/21 , CP 423 PDF , 55.8 MB , 112 pages Order a copy Eastern, North Eastern and Scottish. It's a given that there will be brands underneath GBR - if there weren't, it would make travelling pretty complicated. It'll be operated quite differently. [7], The reorganisation does not affect Northern Ireland, where the railway is already operated by the vertically integrated and already wholly state-owned Northern Ireland Railways. Please can you explain the advantage of such a nationwide livery? I have heard that the BR double arrows will remain in use due to the fact that in the UK everyone recognises it as the 'train station' symbol. InterCity (or, in the earliest days, the hyphenated Inter-City) was introduced by British Rail in 1966 as a brand-name for its long-haul express passenger services (see British Rail brand names for a full history).. There are some good brands out there - gWr for example is a superb piece of marketing prowess, alongside the "friendly nostalgia" of the Famous Five advertising. Copyright 2023 Great British Railways Transition Team. 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